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Second Period Package (33 Modules) Comments

Date: 9/13/2024 11:44:04 AM
Module: 020201bA
Version: 24
Page: 4, 7, 22
Comment: Pg 4 - I would like to see the gang nails changed to perforated plates in the graphic to match the text Pg 7 - add in the term "Girts" in last paragraph (...additional blocking (Girts) must be...) Pg 22 - In the graphic, the top of the brace should run through to the top plate. As shown the pressure is born by the quality of end nailing of the last stud. Maybe re draw showing 1/2 to 2/3 of the brace top to underside of top plate and the rest up against the last stud? (same could be shown at the bottom)
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 11:57:28 AM
Module: 020201bB
Version: 24
Page: 52, 56, 57, 58
Comment: Pg 52 - Replace graphic of fireplace install. Shows sealed up vapour barrier with no insulation installed, described as required in sentence above it. Pg 56 - Question 36 should read girt, not girth Pg 57 - Question 12 NBC reference should be Table 9.23.4.2.-L Pg 58 - Answer 36 should read girt not girth - Metric measurements are shown with "mm", should the alternate units include inches reference " ? Some with square brackets and some with round?
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 1/11/2021 10:24:02 AM
Module: 020201c
Version: 21
Page:
Comment: Page 15 - NBC Span Codes reference is from older version of NBC. Says Table A-3 , should read Table 9.23.4.2.-C as per NBC 2015 Pages 16 &17 - Graphics of tables for ceiling joist spans are from older version of NBC, should be replaced with latest version for consistency
Status: Update in Progress

Date: 9/13/2024 12:00:53 PM
Module: 020201d
Version: 24
Page: multiple
Comment: Is this module set to be updated with new building science info?
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 12:05:07 PM
Module: 020202aB
Version: 24
Page: 28, 36+, 50
Comment: Pg 28 - Add NBC Reference 9.23.14.3. here and or to self test question 18 on pg 50 Pg 36+ - poor graphic definition throughout
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 12:11:55 PM
Module: 020202aC
Version: 24
Page: 13, 15, 17
Comment: Pg 13- remove reference to old version of NBC Tables. Replace with Tables 9.23.4.2.F and 9.23.4.2.G Pgs. 15 and 17 - Replace graphics with tables from new code book
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 12:13:02 PM
Module: 020202aD
Version: 24
Page: multiple
Comment: Poor graphics line definition throughout
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 1:27:25 PM
Module: 020202aF
Version: 24
Page: 15, 16
Comment: Pg 15- fig 16, add wall plates to roof graphic similar to fig. 35 and zoom out the lower graphic a bit to show where the wall is. Pg 16 - change graphic in fig 17 to be similar to new digital lower graphic in fig 16 (from above comment) that includes the layout of the fascia where one extends to the wall.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 1:35:53 PM
Module: 020202aG
Version: 24
Page: 30, 31, 32
Comment: Pgs 30 - 32 - adjust graphics to show less rafters on back side across from intersecting roof until the valleys and ridges get installed for the minor roof then install in pairs to offset the loads from each side of the major ridge . The way it is drawn now will create excessive pressure from the back side rafters bowing the major ridge that will be difficult to straighten and install the minor roof components.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 11:34:03 AM
Module: 020203aA
Version: 24
Page: 16, 20
Comment: Pg 16 - Update window opening prep work to newer standards. Poor existing graphic definition Pg 20 - 1st paragraph says to use insulation to stop air infiltration. That is incorrect as it is the job of the air barriers. Change to: insulation is to slow thermal transfer?
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 11:28:40 AM
Module: 020203aB
Version: 24
Page: 9, 19, 25, 29
Comment: Pg 9 - Add section to describe shutter / rollup doors? Seeing more of these used than the one piece overhead Pg 19 - add section on split jambs in space available Pg 25 - Add 9.9.6.6 to NBC reference in bottom paragraph Pg 29 - Add self closing butt hinge descriptor to cover question 24 in self test
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 11:21:45 AM
Module: 020203aC
Version: 24
Page: multiple
Comment: Would like to see updates to exterior door installations, new style pocket door kits and hardware,
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/13/2024 11:19:10 AM
Module: 020203bA
Version: 24
Page: 11, 14, 15
Comment: Pg 11 - Code reference in note should be 9.27.3, not 9.23.17 Pgs 14 & 15 - Poor graphic definition (most are still poor)
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/12/2024 3:19:09 PM
Module: 020203bB
Version: 24
Page: 5, 6, 7, 8, 12, 22, 26, 34
Comment: Pg 5- Aviators and tin snips removed, I believe we were planning to just add the siding snips and have all three choices? Also under Caution note last line, change "sheeting" to "sheathing" Pg 6, Fig 6 not clear where the nails are to be located. Pg 6 & 7 - Change figs 7 & 8 to show a step by step process - eg Step 1 - drip cap shown above a window with peel and stick shown, Step 2 J-mould added and Step 3 WRB and siding added. Pg 8 - Fig 10 not clear Pg 12 - Penetration should be shown with proper flashings Pg 22 - Fig 30 shows box nails used and driven flush. Should be OH Siding nails driven snug to surface but not buried as shown Pg 26 - Fig 38 should show step flashings between each course of shingle not buried under peel and stick. This graphic looks like the one from the Gentek siding installation manual Pg 34 - shows sheathing membrane behind stucco. It should clarify that you can't use a house wrap like Tyvek or Typar
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 12/13/2022 9:35:47 AM
Module: 020204aB
Version: 24
Page:
Comment: The "Part B" is missing from the title on front page
Status: Implemented

Date: 9/17/2024 11:45:47 AM
Module: 020204aB
Version: 24
Page: 17-20, 22-27, 28-32
Comment: These pages are referring to mid-height landings within a set of stairs. I suggest we calculate mid-height landings by taking total rise divided by 2 then divide that by the required unit rise which automatically gives you an even number of total rises plus put the landing exactly at the center of total rise. By using total rise, students have to add another check to make sure they remember to use an even number of total rises before they calculate unit rise or do it twice if they don't (or forget all together). By using the rounded unit rise times by 1/2 the risers down doesn't actually place the landing at mid-height anyway. We could also show this as an alternate method or make a full change. We could also limit the number of practice questions that deal with this, the module from page 22 to 32 only deal with mid-height landing problems. 020205h Straight and Multi-Flight Stair Calculations must also be considered
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/12/2024 1:01:42 PM
Module: 020205bB
Version: 24
Page: 9, 38
Comment: Page 9 top of page, "Go to Sheet 2" should read Sheet 1 Site Plan Page 38 #18 Pocket door size still reads as a 45 pocket door rather than 35. The comment below from 2020 says it was implemented? "2/18/2020 12:43:42 PM Module: 020205bB Version: 8.1 Page: Comment: Page 38 - question 18 - change "45" to "35" (this has been modified on the Castilian Plan and this needs to change to match) Page 39 - Step 2 - Figure 44 - in the highlighted bubble in the door schedule also change "45" to "35" to match the current Castilian Plan Status: Implemented"
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/12/2024 12:00:16 PM
Module: 020205bC
Version: 24
Page: 11, 16
Comment: Self Test question is asking for information on the multi purpose room. Sheet A-2.1 in the Radium Valley plan shows the Multi Purpose Room label above and closest to room 111 but should reference room 110. Can we move "Multi-Purpose" to above the room 110 callout and add a leader line for room 111 to better reference it to the coats closet?
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 1/11/2021 10:35:59 AM
Module: 020205e
Version: 21
Page:
Comment: References to NBC Table A-3 is outdated. Should read Table 9.23.4.2.-C
Status: Update in Progress

Date: 9/12/2024 11:45:50 AM
Module: 020205e
Version: 24
Page: 2,3,6,9,11, 14, 16, 20, 23, 25, 28
Comment: Span Table references need updating to new code book
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/12/2024 11:41:52 AM
Module: 020205g
Version: 24
Page: 17
Comment: Update graphics for clarity plus proper installation showing end dams, WRB, spaces, etc
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/17/2024 11:50:11 AM
Module: 020205h
Version: 24
Page: 23, 26, 27, 47, 49, 50
Comment: Refer to comment for 020204aB where I discussed changing the method of calculating for mid-height landings within a set of stairs. "These pages are referring to mid-height landings within a set of stairs. I suggest we calculate mid-height landings by taking total rise divided by 2 then divide that by the required unit rise which automatically gives you an even number of total rises plus put the landing exactly at the center of total rise. By using total rise, students have to add another check to make sure they remember to use an even number of total rises before they calculate unit rise or do it twice if they don't (or forget all together). By using the rounded unit rise times by 1/2 the risers down doesn't actually place the landing at mid-height anyway. We could also show this as an alternate method or make a full change. "
Status: Approved for Review


Archived Comments

Year: 2021

2/18/2021 10:20:38 AM
Module: 020205g
Version: 21
Page:
Comment: Can we add clarity to the eave lookout calculation? If we add up all the horizontal sections, divide by on centre spacings, then round up we are potentially missing at least 3 pieces for a hip roof by not enclosing the space on each side of the building. By calculating each side separately would match the lookouts shown in figures 4 and 5 on pg 8
Status: Implemented

Year: 2020

2/20/2020 12:26:57 PM
Module: 020205a
Version: 21
Page: 18
Comment: page 18 - figure 24 - change the stair unit run numbers in the graphic to match the new building code (change "240" to "255" in 4 places)
Status: Implemented

2/20/2020 12:03:25 PM
Module: 020205c
Version: 21
Page: 22
Comment: page 22 - code article box - change "9.15.3.8" to "9.15.3.9" to match correct text above the box
Status: Implemented

2/20/2020 9:08:18 AM
Module: 020205c
Version: 21
Page:
Comment: Page 40 - question 11 - needs to update to new stair code Page 43 - answer to 11 - update to new stair code.
Status: Implemented

2/19/2020 8:33:25 AM
Module: 020203c
Version: 7
Page: 29
Comment: Page 29 – Crickets and Saddles – sentence 1 – to match new code wording should read: “….., when it is greater than 750 mm (30”) wide …….” And sentence 2 – 8th word – change “desired” to “required” Figure 39 – bottom label in graphic – “750 mm (30”) and Wider” needs to change to “Wider than 750 mm (30”)” Figure 40 – bottom label in graphic – “Under 750 mm (30”) Wide” needs to change to “750 mm (30”) and Under”
Status: Implemented

2/18/2020 1:55:25 PM
Module: 020203bB
Version: 8
Page:
Comment: Page 5 – end of first paragraph – “tin snips” should be “aviation snips” – Figure 4 caption change also to “Aviation snips.” Page 6 – Figure 7 – Flashing should show an end dam. Page 7 – Figure 8 – should show flashing with end dams and 2 ways to do j-channel around end dams.
Status: Implemented

2/18/2020 1:47:39 PM
Module: 020205g
Version: 8
Page: 12
Comment: the gable area calculation needs to be re-worded so that it does not include overhang. and the graphic in figure 8 should be adjusted to reflect this change also - any calculations farther in the module should be adjusted as needed to match this change.
Status: Declined

2/18/2020 1:43:18 PM
Module: 020205f
Version: 9
Page: 28
Comment: page 28 - table 32 - step 2 change "hip" to "common"
Status: Implemented

2/18/2020 1:38:02 PM
Module: 020205c
Version: 6
Page:
Comment: Page 2 - figure 1 - update to picture of current code covers - change caption to "NBC and NBC-Alberta Edition" Page 3 - Figure 2- update to current code - electronic and paper copy Page 4 - note box - first sentence - should read; “Division B of the NBC is titled “Acceptable Solutions” and contains approved current minimum standards for all 9 parts of the building code related construction processes in addition to Climatic, Seismic and Fire Performance information.” Page 10 – the information for Appendix A no longer exists – change heading to “Notes to Part 9 – Housing and Small Buildings” the first sentence should read: “Notes to Part 9 contains explanatory information to assist code users in understanding the intent of the requirements contained in Part 9.” The picture in Figure 13 should be changed to show the title at the top of the code page like the previous ones do and the caption should change to “Notes to Part 9” Appendix B no longer exists and can be omitted. Page 15 – Illustrated guide graphic should be updated to the current one. Page 16 and 17 - figure 22, 23 and 24 - update to current Page 19 – figure 25 and 26 – needs updated to current code – doors is now 9.7 etc. Page 27 - Table 7 - first line of heading - change "A-1" to "9.23.4.2-A" Page 31 and 32 - remove 2005 from headings of tables 12, 13 and 14. (and other places as needed) Page 32 - Table 15 - change caption and first row of table to "Table 9.23.4.2-G" and remove "2005" from heading. Page 33 - below first paragraph after Figure 31 - add a "Note Box" with the following: "Very rarely are you required to calculate the Specified Snow Load - Always contact the Local Authority for the appropriate Specified snow Load for the area you are building in." Page 38 - Bullet 2. - change 2.98 to 2.08 Page 38 - table 20 - change caption and first line of table to - "Table 9.23.4.2-G" and remove 2005 from heading. Page 44 - question 15 - Change "Red Deer Alberta" to "an area with 1.5 kPa Specified Snow Load"
Status: Declined

2/18/2020 12:43:42 PM
Module: 020205bB
Version: 8.1
Page:
Comment: Page 38 - question 18 - change "45" to "35" (this has been modified on the Castilian Plan and this needs to change to match) Page 39 - Step 2 - Figure 44 - in the highlighted bubble in the door schedule also change "45" to "35" to match the current Castilian Plan
Status: Implemented

2/18/2020 12:23:34 PM
Module: 020205bB
Version: 8.1
Page:
Comment: page 30 - 2nd bullet - change "umn" to "um" page 31 - figure 34 - in bubble - 2nd bullet - change "umn" to "um" (manufacturers designation - things that make you go um....)
Status: Implemented

2/18/2020 12:15:27 PM
Module: 020203aA
Version: 7
Page: 14
Comment: Figure 21 - Window Symbols - top right image - change label to "Single Hung" and shorten arrow to just be in bottom half of window shown. (NOTE: 1st year BP module with similar graphic may also be labelled wrong)
Status: Implemented

2/18/2020 12:10:26 PM
Module: 020203aC
Version: 5
Page: 16
Comment: Table 3 - (2.5 inches x 25.4 = 63.5 mm) - replace "62" mm with "64" mm in both places
Status: Implemented

2/18/2020 12:05:16 PM
Module: 020203aC
Version: 5
Page: 7
Comment: Figure 7 - right hand bubble - remove "Inside View" text - it is confusing students that it is on the inside of the door rather the weatherstripping behind the false corners on the exterior as intended.
Status: Implemented

2/18/2020 12:02:44 PM
Module: 020201bB
Version: 10.1
Page:
Comment: pages 25 and 26 - Table repeated - should be just once and all on one page - title can change to just NBC without the year.
Status: Implemented

Year: 2019

12/2/2019 7:43:24 AM
Module: 020204aB
Version: 22
Page:
Comment: "Answer to Practice L Stair Calculations" starts out with correct unit of rise being at 181.9mm in step one. In the equation for step 2, it has been calculated using 181.7 mm which is incorrect and the following steps need to be recalculated as this error affects most of the answers for the remainder of the math problem.
Status: Implemented

11/4/2019 12:35:55 PM
Module: 020201bB
Version: 10
Page: 12
Comment: The note on the image tells the viewer to chalk a line 150mm back from floor edge. I believe this should read 140mm back, so the ext. sheathing will be flush with the floor frame ext. sheathing. Students are taught that the foundation dimensions shown on the plan are the wall frame dimensions, and sheathing is applied outside of that.
Status: Implemented

10/30/2019 9:53:10 AM
Module: 020203aC
Version: 4
Page: 28
Comment: When milling a door for a latchbolt, the module describes the order of operations as : latchbolt hole drilled first, and then the cylinder hole is drilled. This should be reversed because if the cylinder is drilled first, then the carpenter knows when to stop while drilling for the latchbolt. Some cylinder brands even require drilling a small distance beyond the cylinder for the latch bolt. It would be difficult to achieve this accuracy if drilling for the latch first.
Status: Implemented

10/11/2019 3:08:54 PM
Module: 020201d
Version: 21
Page: 25
Comment: “As with the air barriers, care must be taken to ensure that the vapour barrier is a continuous seal throughout the building” The word seal should be removed, because vapour barriers do not need to be sealed in the same manner air barriers do. Probably a result of confusion between Air/Vapour barriers because we use poly for both. But, in a rigid air barrier, such as airtight drywall approach (ADA), a poly vapour barrier only needs to be lapped not sealed with tape or acoustical seal (pp 28 020204h Insulation and Air Barriers)
Status: Implemented

1/1/2019 12:00:00 AM
Module: 020205bB
Version: 8.1
Page: 38
Comment: Self test answers: Question 18 Should read "...760x2030x35..."
Status: Implemented

1/1/2019 12:00:00 AM
Module: 020205bB
Version: 8.1
Page: 9
Comment: Self test answers: Question 1 Should read "...go to sheet 1..."
Status: Implemented

1/1/2019 12:00:00 AM
Module: 020205e
Version: 6.1
Page: 9
Comment: In the Ceiling Framing Calculation module on the page 9, step 8 for Calculating ceiling framing material for Hip Roofs. The method of calculating material for stub joist seems flawed. Stub joist material should be calculated similar to stakes and cleats in first period where you first determine how many stub joist you can get from each piece of material rather than a total length of stub material required. This error in calculation can be seen in question 2 of the self-test on page 26. 30 stub joist are required and the answer is 7 pieces of 12 foot material. Being the stub joist are 32" long, you can only get 4 joist per 12 foot piece of material and the answer should be 8.
Status: Implemented

1/1/2019 12:00:00 AM
Module: 020204aA
Version: 8
Page: 5
Comment: In the first sentence, it states that the National Building Code sets a minimum unit run as 210mm for private stairs. In the 2015 National Building Code in Table 9.8.4.2. it states a minimum unit run for private stairs as 255 mm. My question is, in the Apprenticeship exam for Level 2 carpentry, which figure is used? Would it be possible in the future, to specify which version of the NBC is being used in the modules because some of the information seems to have been updated while other has not which is cause for confusion. Thank you.
Status: Implemented

1/1/2019 12:00:00 AM
Module: 020202aB
Version: 8.1
Page: 37
Comment: Re: Figure 67 and NOTE box above. Graphic is labelled incorrectly. Intersection of theoretical line at ridge should be labeled "Total rise working point" The point above may then be labeled "total rise working point + WAP" or don't label at all. Note box should read something like "total rise of roof is the intersection of theoretical working lines at ridge."
Status: Implemented

1/1/2019 12:00:00 AM
Module: 020204aA
Version: 8
Page: 53
Comment: self test questions are numbered incorrectly missed #21
Status: Implemented

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